Convicted?

All the media talking heads, many of them lawyers, have taken their cue from the Jodi Arias jury’s verdict of “guilty” to begin describing her as a “convicted murder(ess)”.

Unless things are different in Arizona than they are just about anywhere else in the country, this is….not true.

The conviction occurs upon the judgment, and indeed in most places in a criminal case the final judgment is called a judgment of conviction.  The judgment of conviction can be based upon a “verdict” by a jury or a judge, or upon a plea of guilty by a defendant.  And here is the key:  the judgment of conviction must include the sentence.  Thus, there is no “conviction” until the sentence.

In the Jodi Arias case we do not yet have a sentence, and so although there has been a verdict of guilty there is no judgment of conviction, and so she is not as of this writing a convicted murderess.

This may seem like a distinction without a difference, but like many things in the law it’s true that it doesn’t matter – until it does.  And there have been cases where the distinction becomes important.

So, you know, lawyers should be careful how they speak lest they mislead the public.  Not intentionally, of course.  No lawyer would ever do that.

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Interesting Exchange Re: Jodi Arias

on another blog, thought readers over here might like it:

First this:

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-her-statement-to-the-jury/#comment-1435

then this:

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-her-statement-to-the-jury/#comment-1446

then this:

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-her-statement-to-the-jury/#comment-1449

then this:

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-her-statement-to-the-jury/#comment-1455

then this:

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-her-statement-to-the-jury/#comment-1458

 

Pretty good stuff if you’re interested in all these alternatives.

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The Jodi Arias Show

There’s no way this doesn’t seem surreal, no matter what your views on the guilt/innocence/fair trial issues.

Of course I feel the same way about “victim impact statements”.

Trial as soap opera doesn’t help with the public frenzy problem.

Impression, 2:13 EDT:  It’s like she’s in a play, playing a role.  Grounded in a detached drama, not fact.  I’m still not buying that she killed him.  I’d be impressed, and not necessarily in a good way, that under the circumstances she’s able to muster up the resolve and courage – or audacity, as the case may be – to make this speech, but instead I think she’s totally in la-la land.  Clueless.

I would agree with the many on twitter who say she showed no contrition or remorse.  It’s entirely possible, though, that the real reason is:  she didn’t do it.

We’re at the same place they should have been at the very beginning of the investigation:  we don’t know whether she is a history making but small scale sociopath, or utterly innocent of this killing.  Neither is more likely than the other.  Everything everyone has done in the intervening five years hasn’t really accomplished anything, except to browbeat the defendant and her attorneys and put on a giant spectacle for the plebeians public.

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Witness Intimidation (Corrected)

If you thought things couldn’t get any more bizarre in the Casey Anthony Jodi Arias case, it seems the prosecutor, Juan Martinez, engages in flagrant witness intimidation.  Not just so that he can win the case – he’d already done that as of last week – but so that he can win a death sentence:

Martinez said that he had merely interviewed [proposed defense witness] Womack about her testimony last week, on May 15, and asked her pointed questions about her drug use and unreported income that could subject her to criminal prosecution. Womack decided to invoke her Fifth Amendment right in response to his questions, Martinez said.

I love how the word “merely” is thrown in there.  Why not say as well, instead of references to “pointed questions”, that he just “casually mentioned” to the witness that if she testified in a way he didn’t want her to that he might prosecute her?

The solution for this kind of misconduct by the prosecutor is to throw his whole case out and refer him for discipline, after which he should be disbarred.

I’m completely serious.  There is no conviction that matters as much as making damn sure no prosecutor thinks he can do something like that and get away with it, or win his case despite misconduct like that.  At the very least he should lose his case – immediately and forcefully and make damn sure you pin the blame right where it belongs, your honor.

But that’s the way the system should work; not the way it does.

Rather 10 guilty men go free rather than 1 innocent person convicted?  Screw that.  How about this:  rather than allow a public official to so abuse his authority and subvert a fair trial for any person – but especially the most reviled, who are the easiest for a crude bully to pick on – shut down the court house entirely and let everyone go, because if you permit that abuse you have already turned the courthouse into a farce.

Bullies make me mad.  You?

Correction:  According to this, defense counsel was present when Martinez interviewed the witness.  This changes things.  While I still think the substance of the questioning was improper and an effort to intimidate the witness, I would have to say that although it is an extremely unfair tactic by the prosecutor, it wouldn’t be criminal.  Unethical, but not criminal.

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Jodi Arias On 48 Hours – 2009 Thru 2013

Apparently before the whole self defense idea was settled on.

Interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6DyoR1lffI

That one was from 2009.  Apparently there was another broadcast on Friday:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50147080n

 

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Jodi Arias Fiasco (Updated)

Her lawyers tried to withdraw – this week.

Under the circumstances I can’t imagine this was a sound professional move, regardless of how difficult she has been or is being.  I’ve been wrong second guessing them before, though, so for now I’m just posting the fact of it.  I’ll leave the commentary to others, of which there seems to be an abundant supply.

Apparently there are reports of witnesses being harassed and threatened, and at present there’s a wild and evidently blood thirsty throng outside the courthouse reveling in the idea of killing her.  I’d say it was like a culture gone pagan but, you know, some pagans were civilized.

Legally, are we dealing with a denial of due process here?  Read Moore v. Dempsey and tell us what you think.

Update:  I don’t want to pick on her lawyers, and who knows maybe nothing would have made any difference here because what is going on is not rational.  But still, my approach to this would have been so different.  I think you have two PD’s here who follow the conventional defense wisdom.  The conventional defense wisdom means you lose, because that is what defendants are supposed to do.  Often the only question is how badly do you lose.

Having the death penalty hovering out there is a lot of pressure.  And in high pressure situations people often revert to their training, which is keep control of your client, keep your distance from your client, don’t get too “personally involved” in the case, whatever that means.  In any event, the death sentence is nerve wracking, but it seems to me you have to ignore it.  You can get bogged down deciding between this or that tactical move or this or that strategy, or figuring out who benefits from this or who benefits from that.

A long time ago I decided that this kind of approach is too confusing, too speculative as to what would result from it, and beyond that didn’t feel right.

So I more or less begin with:  What is the truth here?  What is the right thing to do, based on that?

Much simpler generally, though not always.

In any case, once you figure that out all the strategy and tactics fall into place, and you don’t worry – or at least worry as little as you can – about who benefits and who loses, because nobody really knows how it’s all going to pan out beforehand anyway.

You don’t always, or maybe even often, of course, arrive at the exact truth.  But you get as close an approximation as you can.  Many times you wind up agreeing with the prosecution, and then generally a deal can be struck.  That’s just the reality.  The system is good on that level.

But sometimes you disagree completely with the prosecution.  I think the advantage of the approach I take to these things in that case is that I have a scenario I’m comfortable with, that I believe in, and that I can then go to work very systematically to advance to the maximum extent the system will let me.

I’m guessing that the defense lawyers here subscribe to the standard defense lawyer philosophy that nothing is really true, that even if it is it would be unknowable, that the only things that exist in the system is “evidence” that is in and of itself meaningless unless and until arguments are made about it.  And then the most persuasive arguer wins.

This winds up putting arguments over evidence, and instead of letting the evidence tell you where to go, you wind up trying to force an interpretation onto the evidence.  Ironically, this is frequently where the police go wrong.

And the judges?  Most of them are slaves to power.  (Well, maybe not this lady.) When a case is before them where there is a significant power differential - and every criminal case is such a case – most judges are impervious to evidence.  It doesn’t matter in the slightest to them.

It would be nice to get back to a system, if we ever had one, where evidence led the considerations in a case and controversy.  People are finding out how far we have fallen from that better reality, even as we know that it might never have been as real as it looms now in the imaginations of some of us.

Appreciate all the commenters here.

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Enough Is Enough

Feds are thinking about making states criminalize “drunk” driving at …… .05% blood alcohol content.

Speaking of “safety”, I think it’s safe to say that we have reached a moment of unbridled insanity on the drunk driving thing when this can even be proposed with a straight face.  I’ll take any reasonably competent 18 year old behind the wheel at .08 – never mind .05 – than a stone cold sober 75 year old.

Operating motor vehicles cannot be made absolutely safe.  You’re talking about a couple tons of metal rolling down a road at speed.  This is no longer about any rational concept of safety, this is about the same puritan impulses that brought us prohibition.

Not to mention this is a potentially huge boondoggle for the prison industrial complex, prosecutors and police, jailors and the endlessly moralizing therapeutic state.  Enough.

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